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experiment closed. Thanks a bunch for your answers :dummy:
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BlakeGordon Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2014  Hobbyist Interface Designer
Um I do not get it.

They do look similar, but that then I've been told I look like Matt Dillon (which is so not true).

Is this post based more on your own personal worries or have actually people giving you grief about the 'similarities'.

I have always been super impressed with your character  designs, and reading your above post wants me to think about getting a new hobby instead of trying to learn how to draw. 

PS I agree with DictatorCat your art is awesome.
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DictatorCat Featured By Owner Mar 13, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Ok so let's get it straight:

Black hair with side parting is not copyrighted. It's a frikkin normal hair style, there's millions of women having it, in real life and fiction. And there's no reason for you to not use it either. Think of sloth in Full Metal Alchemist.

Second, blonde hair in twin tails is not copyrighted either, there's plenty people wearing it, plenty of characters in fiction and anime. So what?

You know, you did NOT copy a signature hair style like Sailor Moon or YuGiOh. Those are hair styles and looks that are perfectly normal. Don't get yourself worried with stupid accusations.

BTW: Your art is awesome.
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joaocouto Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
tabitha looks more lust than asami
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anime1999 Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Nice
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IsaiahParker Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Lovely!
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Xandamus Featured By Owner Dec 17, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
just a matter of haw ya craft it...
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suranae Featured By Owner Dec 17, 2013
Lust from Full Metal Alchemist was awesome. just the right mix of smooth, commanding, & confidant. My character is much more so. Because she is I chose the the best artist here for a commish...

I think the problem may be that she is by herself in street clothes, if I had commissioned a second character sheet of her boss & an image of them together we wouldn't have this kerfuffle.We do have however it cause the last two characters sharing "signature" traits with characters in animated media. I think it's odd, but whatever....
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Risaru Featured By Owner Dec 17, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist

well i'm sure other people will go yeah there is similiteries but sometimes alot of people make charas and they have no idea they look similier. but you have your own style going on.

heck I'm sure i have some charas of my own that may have a similitery

like my tsukimi she probably looks like infinite stratos and i never heard of it !

but tabitha does sorta remind me of lust from full metal alchemist sorta just not alot

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DivinitasX Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2013  Student General Artist
People calling "copycat" as soon as characters look similar really piss me off. There are like a million official character, at some point they are bound to look similar.
Still I mostly never see the similarities between the characters because to me they are all unique.
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LainLoki Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
For me the closest one that struck a similar cord in me was the Tabitha and Asami one. It was in the character sheet, not just one reference. Her attitude, the way she carried her self, even her fun version. Those poses, elegant and determined, but a coy side to her, to me that seemed like a striking resemblance to Asami from LOK. That and a similar color pallet to the character. She has a dark, mysterious side, but the red and green outfits give her a warmth as well. Now I'm not saying that's a bad thing. It just when I saw the character I was like wow, she reminds me of Asami. Where as for me Asami, has an assertive attitude, a take charge and forge her own path type. I could easily see her having a rich Hispanic voice, that charmed men without them think
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tsubakiXflower Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2013
It's not really a question as to if they are similar or not, but rather whether or not your characters are copies/rip offs of pre-existing characters. I think there are some similarities for sure, enough to remind people of other characters, but yours are definitely unique and done in your own way. So I don't think there's anything to worry about. I personally would not have made the connection between these characters, but I can see why your characters might make someone think of the other two.
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tsubakiXflower Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2013
So basically: the same- no. similar- yes. is it a problem- no
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vaneko13 Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2013   Traditional Artist
no for both .-.
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CHARA-KATINA Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2013  Student Digital Artist
You should note that Jinx's blonde hair is because she is a twin of Starina haha. That might also help ^^
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Revenciel Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Very different, I should say.
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CrystellaSweety92 Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
just because they look similar doesn't mean you "stole the character" or "copycatted" it.
The shapes are different, the hair style is different, heck the colors are even different.
I swear people can be such bigots.
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StreetArtStudios Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Asami and Tabitha, no. Jinx and Harley, yes.
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bastler Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2013
Having been one of them, let me clarify here that I do not think that based your art on the one for Asami. They just looked close enough in my opinion, to state the similarity. They are obviously different characters, but your lady looked close enough to an adult version of Asama Sato, for my eyes.
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Precia-T Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
yes I understand. Just wanted to know where do yu see that similarity?
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secretrealm Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Tabitha actually reminds me more of Lust from Fullmetal Alchemist than of Asumi. Not saying they are the same character, but I see more physical resemblance.
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bastler Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2013
You know Asami Sato was inspired by Lust? :)
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secretrealm Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I think I remember hearing about that when LoK was coming out, actually.
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Kvlticon Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2013
There are only so many human features (hair/skin/eye color,etc) out there, so inevitably coincidences will arise.

In most cases similarities are only superficial.
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silveron25 Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2013
There are tons of characters that they "remind" me of something that I have seen somewhere or sometime ( In my opinion), that doesn't mean that they are similar. It's like a "click" in the human brain that make you say "Woa where have I seen this fella? " :D In any case for me, both Tabitha and Jinx are unique and profesionally donne ! Big cheers all the wayyyyyyy :D :D :D
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emio123 Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2013
There are some similarities but hey! In real life there is also a lot of people who look similar ;) Don't worry about it ^_^

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White-Magician Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well, they look rather different! I think they confused the look and the aura! Because you have to admit they have the same "aura" (Beautiful brunette for Tabitha and Asami and crazy blonde for Jinx and Harvey)

People love comparisons, don't blame them, they're programmed to do it XD
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Greed-kun Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
While yes, they definitely look similar (I think Jester is closer to Joker then anyone else), they're still distinguishably different.
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Precia-T Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Thats a wise answer >: D  because it's not a yes and not a no. I'll take it as big similarity. 
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koveras-alvane Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
All the women you draw are so freaking beautiful, I can't even...
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Precia-T Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
thank you :)
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Sequito-Equitis Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2013
Same?  No.

Heavily inspired by?  Yes.

Delivered with obvious talent?  Absolutely.

One can easily point to commonalities with host of other predecessors.  The former has elements of "Carmen Sandiego" of 'Where in the World is...' fame and "Elisa Maza" of Disney's 'Gargoyles.'  The latter has a bit of  "Jem" of the '... and the Holograms' cartoon.  I'm sure we could assemble long lists of other ancestral characters -- many of which you have almost certainly never seen.  Their similarities would hardly make them all "the same."

Even by the strictest standards you are in the clear.  Such borrowing has been part of comic art history since the beginning.   It is hard to believe you have been singled out for criticism given the uninspired mix-and-match 'creativity' that passes for 'originality' in many DA galleries.

The people who cry "rip off" the loudest are often those who are so ignorant as to believe that the alleged 'original' they defend wasn't also inspired by prior works. Critics unaware of such broader contexts reveal nothing except their own narrow lack of understanding.

Pay them no attention.
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Precia-T Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
The last sentences reminds me of desiderata somehow :)
    But it is ok to see some existing characters in original. I mean it is natural. I wasn't angry just curious and I thought: I will simply ask what people think.
I am happy to get  feedback and happy that most of people share my opinion. But we mostly are adult and we do respect any opinion. I am simply happy because I thought, maybe something is wrong with me if everybody says black is white while white is white for me. In that case I don't believe I know better but ask people if thats true. 
Thanks for your opinion 

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Sequito-Equitis Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2013
How politically correct.

Any opinion based on flawed or inadequate information propagates those inadequacies, making respect for every opinion quite foolish.

Only a foolish tone-deaf man would offer his opinion of anything other than percussion, and only a fool would consider it if he did.  Many in my country -- of various political stripes -- opine in favor of strict Constitutional interpretation, but when queried many have little knowledge of it's contents and still more believe the document to contains things that it does not.  The opinions of those so misinformed may matter in the ballot box but are sheer idiocy anywhere else.

Only in matters of *pure* opinion are they all created equal.

(If this offends, I suppose you can chalk it up to opinion.  If not, you might consider it a principled argument that can separate the wheat from the chaff.)
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Precia-T Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Well.. To be sincere I would prefer if you tell me if you see similarity between characters  or not. Thats what this sheet/poll is about.  Im okay with deeper philosophy but I think my question is too simple for that. 
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Sequito-Equitis Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2013
Feel free to ignore everything after the first 3 lines, as quoted below:

"Same?  No.

Heavily inspired by?  Yes.

Delivered with obvious talent?  Absolutely."
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ThirdPersonSymphony Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2013  Student General Artist
I'm my opinion, just like there isn't a completely and utterly new story line out there (only overall, reused themes and plots with original twists), there are no character designs that are completely original. It's a bit annoying for people to constantly say characters are rip-offs or they look JUST LIKE THIS OTHER ONE, etc, because what matters isn't just the design, but the story, personality, and context of them all.

I say, if it looks like them, so what? You can't expect something ridiculously new after hundreds and thousands of years artists and writers have been creating characters. It's perfectly possible to have a twist to make them stand out, but overall? There's really not much else you can do. However, the real problem occurs when characters might have too much in common with another in design, personality, or both.

So far, I can't judge too much based on the designs alone, but the characters are pretty much stand-alone, even if the similarities between Asami and Tabitha are much more apparent. There's my rant for you :3
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Precia-T Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
rip-off. That sounds creepy :o 
I like what you write about originality itself. I think a lot of people miss that fact. Design and haircolour is one but the whole story, music, voices - only all of them together makes something being alive and might make something original. 
thank you for your opinion
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ThirdPersonSymphony Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2013  Student General Artist
Exactly. It's a pretty far-fetched example, but it happens in the real world as well. Twins, whom tend to have very different personalities, shine through that uniqueness. Your commissioners and you shouldn't worry too much about how "alike" characters look. Everyone should see the differences and the small, unique details that make a character original, not the similarities based on the design archetypes.

You're welcome ^^ and yes, rip-off sort of sounds creepy
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cerebus873 Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2013
If I look at the librarian sheet, I'm pretty sure several adjectives would be used to describe both her and Asami.  But, that just means that they're both great characters!  It doesn't mean that you cribbed the look.  Sexy, smart, capable dark haired women with a classy sense of style?  Wait there can't be more than one?

I mean you could have shown me the Librarian sheet and said "look at this great take on Asami", and I wouldn't have thought twice about it -- but I would have taken it as one artist's re-interpretation of an existing character with a look and a style.  And, if I was then told "no really it's this other character", I wouldn't have thought "oh that artist stole that from Korra!", I'd have been mad that someone was trying to make me think an artist was doing that (unless there was more evidence than that sheet).  If the next three sheets were very similar to Korra, Mako, and Tenzin I'd have started to wonder.

I think this says more about how we need better female characters in our media that people immediately try to connect the dots here.

Jinx is even more of a stretch.  If you told me that was Harley Quinn, I'd wonder why the artist had done the colors wrong.   Again: crazy blond chick with pigtails?  Uh, more to the character than that.

Take for instance Harry Potter and Timothy Hunter.  Both are young orphans, dark hair, glasses.  They are inducted into the world of magic which they didn't know existed.  Both have owls. (etc)  Timothy Hunter predates Harry Potter.  Is Harry a knock off?  No.  You can go to the source of Timothy Hunter (Neil Gaiman) and he says the same thing.  Sure they were drawn from similar sources (of which there are many), and many choices were made for similar reasons, but they aren't the same character, they aren't the same story, and there was no "stealing" or anything like that.

But I can BET that if I gave you Timothy Hunter and you made a character sheet for him, there would be SCADS of Harry Potter fans saying that you ripped off the look.  And some wondering why he was on a skateboard (missing the point that its NOT HARRY POTTER).

Like here the resemblance is coincidental and superficial.  Like Harry and Tim, I'm pretty sure that the Librarian and Asami share some similar roots in literature/movies/culture.

On the other extreme Gregory House (from the TV show House) is Sherlock Holmes (and that's NOT accidental, he really is based off Sherlock Holmes, it starts at Holmes => "homes" -> House).  But I don't watch House and think "Sherlock Holmes!"  (though he's more Sherlock Holmes than Sherlock Holmes of Elementary, even though I like Elementary).  House ends up being different from Sherlock Holmes stories, changed enough that I don't think they owed any acknowledgement even though the cribbing was on purpose.

BTW, both these are REALLY well done.  A good sense of who the characters are in a very small amount of space.

TL;DR: Ignore those people.  Your art is great, and these were too good examples of that.

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Precia-T Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Thanks for your opinion. I won't ignore any of opinion except attack or insult. I wanted to understand if people really see similarities if I put those characters close together and we will take a look. I really like your examples with Potter. Also I just realized how much ignorant I were. Because I don't even know Asami. What if she is l-i-b-r-a-r-i-a-n ?? :ohnoes:   but seriously it really makes a point if people see the same occupation with some similar look. In general thank you for spending time to write me a long comment :dummy:
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cerebus873 Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2013
She's not a Librarian.  But she's really smart.  And she's quite a good fighter. She drives a car and races them (in a world where not too many people have them).  And she can fly a plane.  She's also a character WITHOUT magical powers in a story where the main characters do, but she holds her own.  Her father is super-rich.

When people talk about her character one description is "She's Batman" (She has a bunch of wonderful toys/capable/smart/fights well/hold own with characters with amazing powers/super-rich/.)

I really think this is a case of Harry Potter/Timothy Hunter.  Similar superficially, but not the same.  Drawn from similar sources likely and a set of similar choices for valid reasons.  Could be more to it -- but then I'd have to go find out more about the OC and talk about the inspirations....

But as an artist you might not realize that non-artists collapse detail.  YOU see different eye shape, lip shape, hair style, and color palettes.   Most non-artists see "pretty woman with dark hair".  Both Tabitha and Asami are pretty women with Dark Hair.  And they can fight!

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SnowSultan Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2013   Digital Artist
You said "I mean you could have shown me the Librarian sheet and said "look at this great take on Asami", and I wouldn't have thought twice about it -- but I would have taken it as one artist's re-interpretation of an existing character with a look and a style."  That's actually the problem - if you could have believed it was Asumi without batting an eye, it's too similar.

I'm not sure if people are actually saying that these characters are ripoffs, I haven't seen any public comments that make that strong accusation. I just find it very hard to believe that so many here are NOT seeing the similarities.

We should ask ourselves, if Harley Quinn or Asami were our character and the creators of these OCs were making a lot of money selling comics or art, would we feel like they adapted some of our ideas for their own?

Anyway, you make some good points, I didn't know anything about Timothy Hunter and Harry Potter.
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cerebus873 Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2013
I maintain it's NOT the problem. The problem is that people are making too much of a common thing.

Should we cull back through comics/literature/movies and find characters that, done in a slightly different style could have been another character?  That list WOULD NOT END.

Is Captain Marvel/Shazam the same as Superman?  If yes, why?  If no, why not?  Are you saying no because their -costumes- are different?  Because the source of their powers are different?  Or are you saying yes because their gross power set is the same and they both are built-men with dark hair flying around in funny costumes? (BTW, there was a nice lawsuit over this very example.)  (Note: for history they did not used to be owned by the same company, and that tidbit will tell you who won.)

The key to what I said was " re-interpretation of an existing character with a look and a style.".  Asami's and the Librarian's look aren't the SAME, though they are similar.  Should we not have any other smart, sexy, capable, classy, dark-haired women as characters since we have Asami?

I am used to people doing a wide range of looks for a character -- that's why I'd have been ok as that as a "take" on Asami, that is an artist re-interpreting (much as House/Sherlock Holmes).  But I did not take it as Asami when I first saw it (this isn't the first time I've seen it).   In comics terms, this could be and Elseworlds-Asami or an "Ultimates Asami", but that's also not slight on the artist or the OC.  Because once you go to that level, you're also at the Tim Hunter/Harry Potter level.  Where you've reduced the character almost to original sources and re-interpreted them again and you'll come down somewhere else.  Sometimes that's a great change  and sometimes it's slight.  I'm also used to Steampunk X, or Punk X (X=Zatanna/Wonder Woman/She-Hulk/blah blah blah).

I absolutely DID NOT say "hey that's Asami" (and I had just watched Korra and her character was strongly on my mind).  I DID notice that the characters are similar, and remember thinking it was her in the thumbnail in my deviant watch (on my phone), until I looked at the actual image.  My first thoughts when I opened the image were  "Why's there a scooter? Asami doesn't have a tattoo that I know of.  She doesn't look quite right...and.. oh this ISN'T ASAMI. ".  And then I read the description.  So yes, I see what people are talking about.   But, those people are WRONG and are making to much out of it.
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SnowSultan Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2013   Digital Artist
Fair enough, thanks for replying. Like I said, you make valid points, many of which I agree with. I don't know how anyone can possibly look at Jinx and not think she's a frankensteined Harley Quinn, but debate is always good. Thanks.
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LoliBearu Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I see the similarities, but when you break a person down to bare bones I think people tend to forget there's only so much variety possible. Sort of similar colours and sort of similar hairstyles do not make a character similar to another. Of course, that's just my two cents.
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Precia-T Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Yes I understand what you mean. So you find them similar personally?
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LoliBearu Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I don't find them similar. xD 
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Ghibli--Fan Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I don't really know much about your characters but from looking at the references you posted here is what I think,

The top pair (the one with Asami)  There is nothing really similar other than the fact that they have dark long wavy hair and green eyes.  Do you know how many other characters there are out there that look like Asami?  There really aren't any Original designs out there, they all have been used already.... XD  Just my opinion.  So I don't think you should get flack for her.

For the second pair, the clowns.  HOW MANY CRAZY CLOWN GIRLS ARE OUT THERE?!  Seriously, I have seen so many.  Again, there are some similarities, but its not tracing or copying in my opinion.  So again, I say that its fine.  The designs are different they just happen to have a few similar characteristics...

With so many BLATANT thieves out there it surprises me that you would be getting flack for your original characters that have some of the same traits as other popular OCs.... Seriously, misplaced calling out if you ask me.  

Anyways that was just my opinion. :)
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Precia-T Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
the only reason I put this sheet was to see what people think , if they see similarity. I'm not worried of being called a copist I am just curious of opinions if you see similarity or not. 
Thanks for your opinion
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Ghibli--Fan Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Of course :)
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